Denny,

Do you think the DLOC improvement could be due to anything else except the Wei products? For example if you stated playing hockey again you probably improved your lung function quite a bit just from that. I am also a hockey player and notice a big difference in lung function when I play regulartly. It is like doing interval training.

An arterial gas test is really the only way you can find out if expelling co2 properly.

Denny,

I have a feeling you are not referring to co2 as this is not measured in a pulmonary function test and needs a special blood test to be measured. Are you referring to your oxygen saturation level, which is known as sp02 and is nmeasured by a liitle device you put in your finger?

 

Dennis,

In your Dec 20 post you said your only bad number was CO2 at 79%.

Think this means you are not expelling enough CO2 when you breathe out. Has the CO2 number changed since you have been taking the Wei products? Believe to test your CO2 level you need to do an arterial gas test. Do think it is part of a PFT test.

Marsha,

Just curious if you know what your numbers were before you started the laser treatments.

The FEV and FEV1 numbers of 91 seem to be numbers of a normal person with good lung function.

If you mean they will not sell them seperately that makes me very suspicious, especially since they are charging what seems to me very excessive prices.

Looking over the 3 Wei products for tespiratory problems do not see why would need more than the one that reduces scar tissue and fibrosis. Seems like a waste of money to use other 2. However, could be wrong and that is just my initial reaction.

Has anybody tried WEI products since the last above post?

Denny/Richard, how are you guys doing the last few months on the WEI products? They are very expensive and make many claims about being able to reverse lung damage so am skeptical but want to keep an open mind.

Karen ( @nimrod )

That is nice to hear. Could you please let us know how many laser treatments you have had. Also curious to know what distance you covered during the 6 min on the treadmaill and how that compares to distance you could do before you started the laser treatments.

Joseph,

Sorry to hear what hell you have been through. However, sure sounds like you are getting better so stay in touch with your results and I will do same.

Joseph,

Those are impressive improvements in your PFT. Just wondering are you doing anyhing else different such as taking supplements? Also do you feel better and can walk a little further without getting as much out of breath? I had my wife do 6 min walking test before she started the laser treatments and she had about a 50% improvement… Read more

Wanted to let everybody know about below Phase 3 trial. It is being done in 200 sites so if you check it out you may find a site where you live:
“GLPG1690 inhibits GPR84, a pro-inflammatory protein that promotes chronic inflammation in IPF. It was granted orphan drug designation by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in June 2017, and by… Read more

Richard,

I am curious about the meaning of DLCO results as not familiar with this. Usually PFT results are measured using FVC, FEV1, etc.

Do your DLCO results mean the FVC, FEV1 were also about 10% better?

Richard,

Very glad to hear you are improving. Did you also do a PFT in July that you can compare to your last PFT?

 

Steve/Andy,

We will be seeing a traditional Chinese Medicine expert who helps lung cancer patients in a Montreal hospital with exercise, nutrition, breathing, etc. I will ask him about this product as am sure he will know about it. Steve, do you notice anything better since using it? How much is a 1 month supply? I am somewhat skeptical as… Read more

Andy ( @drandyhall )

Can you please contact this Dutch person and find out what exactly are the nano nutrients he inhales and how one can get them.

Andy,

Could you let us know what Wei products you are using that you think could be helpful.

Also do you have any idea how one get these nano nutrients the dutch person is using.

Steve,

If you Google Nattokinase Scam by Curereality and see all the responses and exchanges at end of article think there is a lot of interesting things there. The people responding who used Natto have positive things to say.

Steve

I was about to order the Natto until came across an online article called Nattokinase Scam by Curereality. They warn about serious dangers so wondering what you think. Not sure if Currreality is a site with good reputation.

Your original thought was to start taking things one at a time to see how you react to each one and that makes sense so will follow that plan. You take the Natto to reduce HR but cannot remember what you take Serra for. Can you please remind me so can decide which one to start first.

I whas wondering what you thought of the Solaray combination product of Natto 300 FU, 150 mg and Serra 2000 u/mg, 30 mg. This is taken once daily. Taking as combo seems like a good idea.

Steve,

What do you think of this combination product.

Dose is 1 pill daily Solaray, Nattokinase Serrapeptase, 30 Vegetarian Capsules
1 Vegetarian Capsule, Amount Per Serving % Daily Value Nattokinase (Soy Bean Fibrinase) (Supplying 3000 FU [Fibrinolytic Units])150 mg*Serrapeptase (Supplying 60,000 Units [2000 U/mg])30 mg**Daily Value… Read more

Steve,

Can you please let me know how much natto you are taking.

That is great that your HR rate is so low.

Hi Steve,

I am wondering about Natto being able to help the heart rate slow. I have looked up Natto and no article says it does this. It can lower blood pressure but this is not the same thing as lowering heart rate.

Hi John  ( @caneelbay1 ),

Do you have a document you can email to me as an attachment that shows acupuncture sites for lungs. I definitely would like to show this ASAP to the chiropracter doing the laser treatments. My email is leontis@letmic.com and would much appreciate getting this from you.

Hi Steve,

By 7 1/2 min each side do you mean font and back or left and right lung area.

Hi John ( @caneelbay1 )

Do you have a document you can post or email to me that shows acupuncture sites for lungs. I definitely would like to show this ASAP to the chiropracter doing the laser treatments.

John ( @caneelbay1 )

Wondering if you let us know some specifics about your Lung Fuction Test improvements. Whatever you are comfortable with letting us know.

@drandyhall,

Also take a look at Lung Therapeutics IPF drug LT1-03. It also looks very promising.

My wife Elizabeth has IPF and started laser treatments on Feb 15 using a class 4 K Laser in Montreal and under guidelines set  by Dr. Andy Hall. I am recording her 6 min walking distance results to see if she is making progress. Just before laser treatments started she was able to walk 247 meters and her heart rate was 107 at end of walk.… Read more

Charlene,

As regards the 6 minute walking test it is very important not to over complicate this.

All that matters is that each person who want to use this to measure improvement does it the same way each time. It is not important that everybody does it the same way.

For example I use it by walking indoors from one end of our apartment to… Read more

Jack,

Further to Terry’s reply would mention that have been recording 6 min walks for my wife, who has IPF. We determined at start she needs 3L oxygen to keep oxysat at 90 during test so doing all 6 min walks with 3L oxygen. In order to figure out if improving it is important to keep doing all 6 min walks you record at same oxygen level so… Read more

Andy,

You make good points so how about wording for introductory message to be something like.

This is a new thread and is should be used only to post results or opinions on your health after for before and after laser treatments.

We suggest you report your results after 5, 10 and 20 treatments.

Pulmonary function tests results are… Read more

Dr. Hall,

What I meant was to give us results AFTER 10 treatments and then again after 20 treatments. It would be  too much to have people give results every few days.

As you suggest could also be every 2 weeks but then to be meaningful would need to know how many treatments so that is why thought simpler to do it after every number… Read more

Andy,

I would suggest to try and keep things simple for the Laser Results thread.

For example people could report their results after every 5 or 10 treatments.

Pulmonary function tests are important because they are verified by a third party. One very simple test to is the 6 min walking test, where you record how far you go in yards or… Read more

Marsha,

If possible could you please let us know in simple terms what improvements you had in these tests. We are trying to keep track of actual results anybody has when doing the treatments as this is very useful for our own confidence and also convincing doctors to support doing this.

 

Steve,

Would be interested to know how much Serrapeptase you are taking to get these good results

Charlene,

I would suggest if possible you start a new thread called Laser Therapy Results and each one of uses this only to post what results they are getting after laser treatments. Some people are reporting results as PFT, 6 min walk distance, oxysat, exercise tolerance, etc. but it does not matter as all results useful. People not getting… Read more

Dr. Hall,

I am guessing they could only cover 30 meters because they had to stop and sit down several times but still this part is very strange as patients were not in critical condition. In any case 6 min walking test results are amazing as in the 2018 Egyptian study the group dong the laser therapy went from 24 meters to 52 meters and in the… Read more

Dr. Hall, ( @drandyhall )

Seems there was a problem with copy and paste and my post did not show table 2. In any case table 2 shows 6 MWD in meters (mean ± SD) as 30.94 ± 11.52 for baseline and 93.63 ± 29.96 after 10 days of treatment for study group. You can study downloaded if go https//doi.org/10.1016/j.ejcdt.2014.06.012<

Dr. Hall,

The study link for “Role of laser acupunture in chronic respiratory diseases” was in your March 4 post and was below. I read study and copied and pasted results for the group that took the laser treatments and as you can see it says baseline 6 MWD was 30.94 meters. This seems incredibly low distance as from research I have done… Read more

Dr. Hall,

Is laser acupuncture something we should consider in addition to laser therapy?

I took a look at the Egyptian study link results you mention and see in the 6 MWT they were only covering a distance of 30 meters before the treatment. Is that correct as sounds extremely low for 6 min?

My wife, who has severe IPF was doing 240… Read more

@jackblum

Jack,

I do not understand what you meant by results you posted on March 8 that say below. Can you please explain in more simple terms what was your oxysat and hear rate before treatments and after the first month.

“I just finished my first month of Laser therapy at 3 times a week. I definitely feel better. After 1st month, my… Read more

Peter,

I noticed on your Feb 25  post you say “My osteopath tells me K Laser have now issued their own protocols for treatment of Pulmonary Fibrosis patients”. Could you please share with us what these protocols are. My wife just had her 4th K Laser treatment using guidelines set by Dr. Hall and all is going well and noticing some… Read more

John,

My wife is just starting laser treatments for IPF and have been getting good guidance from Dr. Hall. Wondering what exactly are the 35% and 55% lung function test results you had as that is a terrific improvement and there a number of different things measured in lung function tests (FVC,FEV1 and FEV1 ratio).