Lazer therapy

[Lee]

Dave if you’re speaking of COLD laser therapy, I’ve had several rounds of it in my first couple years with IPF. I even bought my own device for about $450 so that I could use it at home without driving somewhere to receive treatment. It “may” have helped with inflammation but I was doing multiple protocols to reduce inflammation so I can’t say that the laser did anything specific or notable. It didn’t hurt, and it was one of many things I did to battle a very serious condition of 30% remaining lung function with massive lung scarring. The most important things I did and still do today that are definitely working are 1) daily walking 2) daily exercise (I use an oxygen tank at the gym to bicycle and strength training 3) very good nutrition with adequate protein, vegetables and ZERO processed foods and sugar 4) 7-8 hours of quality sleep nightly. 5) some basic nutritional supplements.

I use oxygen 24 hours a day but have lots of stamina and strength and I am never fatigued. I’m 66 years old and have had IPF 4 years.

Lee

[Lystra]

Lee, this doesn’t have anything to do with Laser Therapy…but I just bought your book! It is very inspiring and you are a diehard exercise dude!! You have been inspiring me so much. I don’t have IPF but it’s slower cousin something called PPFE, Hoping to put some of your great suggestions to use. I have exercised all my life, it’s hard to get slower but not on oxygen yet. I will ask my MD about laser therapy and some of your other suggestions. Haven’t finished reading the book yet but it’s alot of information that is. valuable so taking it slow. Thank you for getting it out there!

[Paul Caden]

You are both brave and smart good luck to you

[Millie]

I get summus class IV laser treatments weekly and have had no progression of this disease in over a year. Dr Andrew Hall is the expert on this. These lasers are used by chiropracters and you have to find one in your area who uses this laser and is wiling to give you treatments.

[John K. Grubb]

I find the comments about Laser treatment for IPF very interesting.

Does anyone know who is doing Laser treatments in Houston for IPF?

[MICO]

Does anyone know if lazer therapy is being done in Orlando and how does it work.

[Linda]

GM. I was diagnosed with IPF in 2016 and I am pretty much stable – slight decline

since then. I started laser therapy 8/15/22 – Dr Halls regiment. I also take Esbriet and keep my Vitamin D level relatively high. I am not sure what works but if it aint broken – don’t fix it

[Carlo De Pellegrin]

I have been using laser treatments for about a year and a half. They do not claim to reduce scarring but rather stop it or slow it down dramatically. In that time i have had very, very little if any deterioration. The laser clinic claims they are the reason, the respirologist says its the pirfenidone doing its work. I do not want to stop either and take a chance on lung deterioration. I rent the laser pad and use it three times a week of about two and a half hours. The rent including HST ( I live in Canada) is $565. BIOFLEX Laser Therapy Systems can be found on the internet and [email protected] is the email address.

[jai]

> “I rent the laser pad and use it three times a week of about two and a
half hours. The rent including HST ( I live in Canada) is $565. BIOFLEX
Laser Therapy Systems…”

Carlo, What is the Laser Pad? I can find nothing about it at the website.

[felix]

I was informed that I had Pulmonary Fibrosis on February 16^th. I was diagnosed via a CT scan on 02/14/2024 which showed the growth of fibrous tissues in my lungs. I was told by my pulmonologist that this decease is fatal and that my life expectancy could be anywhere from 18 months to 3 years. Pulmonary function tests indicated that I would require 6 liters per minute of oxygen to perform daily functions. The only available treatment was to take one of two drugs (Esbriet and Ofev) which had the potential of retarding (but not stopping) the growth of the fibrosis, and if memory serves me correctly it may extend my life for a year. During the continuation of the disease, my ability to breath would continue to diminish and I would slowly suffocate to death.

This very grim diagnosis and prognosis prompted me to research any alternative treatments throughout the medical and alternative medicine literature. After researching potential treatments for this condition, I found many different blogs, testimonials and even NIH articles that suggested laser therapy may have some capability to help. I started laser therapy on March 19^th – 4 weeks 3 times a week, 4 weeks 2 times a week, 1 time a week for the rest of my life. I also took and continue to take 2- 150 mg tablets of Green Tea Extract standardized to contain 94% EGCG, twice a day. I decided not to take either Esbriet or Ofev because of their side effects and I did not want to prolong a very painful journey for me and my family.

As of 01/08/2025, following the above laser therapy regimen since March of 2024, my lung functions have been ‘stabilized’ and I do not need oxygen to perform my daily activities.

I had another CT scan on 12/05/2024. I was concerned because I contracted COVID in early November, and after no longer testing positive for COVID I felt that my lung capacity was diminished. I was feeling out of breath during periods of minimal exertion. I thought that pulmonary fibrosis was staging a comeback.

The physician who interpreted this most recent CT scan, comparing it to the original CT scan concluded that there was no difference from the original. This meant that the pulmonary fibrosis was not progressing. However, I was still experiencing symptoms of ‘diminished’ lung capability.

I contacted Dr. Andrew Hall, and he suggested that I have a ‘tune up’ of my laser treatment to help with the COVID symptoms. He suggested – 3 weeks 3 times a week, 3 weeks 2 times a week at the laser levels prescribed. This treatment has helped significantly, and I seem to be back to pre-COVID lung functionality.

Below you will find the links that led me to making my decision to start laser therapy. Dr. Andrew Hall should be credited with the pioneering work he started for the use of laser therapy for the treatment of Pulmonary Fibrosis.

The post below written by Dr Andrew Hall led me to contact him and he helped me locate Dr Patrica Delzell in Chagrin Falls ( https://advancedmmc.com/about/dr-delzell/ ) who had the proper laser for this treatment. He shared with her his protocols for this treatment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8617935/

https://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/11/11/1124

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqk0pJcCAHc

Laser Therapy

Posted by Andrew Hall DC (Sonora, CA) on 01/20/2023
★★★★★

I first posted on this site about laser therapy for IPF on 8/10/16. I am way past due for an update. It has been 8 years since my IPF diagnosis. I started with a Class 4 laser right after diagnosis and I continue to use laser faithfully every week. My O2 levels remain at 96-97. One of the VERY important things we have learned from some Japanese and Chinese researchers is that Interleukin 11 is responsible for producing the fibrosis not only in the lungs but the liver as well. The Interleukins are primarily pro-inflammatory cytokines and whenever you have inflammation in your body one or more Interleukins are involved. It was always assumed that Interleukin 11 was pro-inflammatory but we were wrong. Laser is famous for reducing pro-inflammatory Interleukins and the good news is that it reduces/eliminates Interleukin 11 as well. That is why after all these years I still have no additional fibrous tissue on CT scans. To date, I have referred right at around 500 IPF patients to Class 4 laser therapy providers all over the world. I know of only 2 of them that have had more fibrous tissue and it was minimal. Most of the more early stage IPF patients will find some improved O2 levels and more stamina with laser therapy. As I have said before, no one claims laser therapy is a cure, but it is a VERY good way to manage the disease without any side effects that you get with either Esbriet or Ofev. I still don’t take any of the IPF drugs and never have. If you or a loved one has IPF you should seriously consider laser therapy for this terrible disease. I am now semi-retired and one of my missions in life now is to help others find a Class 4 laser therapy provider near them. I highly recommend either a Summus laser or K-laser for treatment. With the help of top laser experts we have a protocol that works amazingly well.

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Dr. Delzell | Advanced MMC

Patricia Delzell, M.D. Healing through Integrative Pain Management Patricia Delzell, M.D., is a board-certified musculoskeletal radiologist specializing in integrative treatment of chronic musculoskeletal pain. Dr. Delzell is a specialist in musculoskeletal ultrasound and is fellowship trained in cross-sectional imaging and … Continue reading

[Pete Besio]

I started Dr. Hall’s laser protocol 12/5/24. I do not have empirical data to share yet, I have PFT scheduled 2/7, but I am VERY encouraged by the results. I am using O2 in fewer situations, and fell much much better. I am optimistic for the first time in a very long time. My chiropractor, Dr. Daniel Serpentelli, is pairing laser treatmentd with Pulsed Electromagnetic Field treatments. Dr. Serpentellli is a pretty remarkable guy, if your in the Bradenton FL area, his website:

Chiropractor Bradenton, FL | Chiropractic Center | Integrated Physical Medicine

https://www.integratedphysicalmedicine.com/

Pete Besio

[David Bennett]

Always keeping mind that anecdotal, personal assessments are nothing like controlled studies and the present state of on line AI responses are not always valid (A recent study found that about 30% of AI information is false.). That said, there are a fair number of studies showing low-level laser does reduce inflammation in animal studies with induced PF. Reduced inflammation reduces future scarring but has no impact on existing scar tissue. My disease has been essentially stable for 5 years on Ofev and a couple of years on 2 grams/day of cumin, a proven, cheap OTC systemic anti-inflammatory. As always, your milage may vary.

[Pete Besio]

Appreciate your perspective David. But by the time any of the controlled studies provide something that provide any relief to me……well I am not going to be able to benefit from them. I have been following the controlled studies regimen for 5 years now. It has been a steady slide. Less than 2 months of following anecdotal stories and I feel the best I have felt in 2 years, probably more. I was a skeptic until someone I know and trust tried it with very favorable results, so that is why I posted here. Maybe it will sway another skeptic or two.

I am glad what you are doing is working for you.